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Saturday, December 29, 2012

Wise Family - Index to Posts

An Index Post is how I keep track of all of the blog posts that have been written on a family line. It helps keep me organized and allows visitors to easily find information on that family. This post will be updated as new blog posts are written on Wise and allied families (Hale, Hoffman, Kircher, Mohler, Shidler, etc.). Please contact me at kinexxions@gmail.com if you are researching this family or have additional information on them.

This research is my attempt to identify the twelve children of Peter and Christina Wise and trace their descendants. Though it is highly probable and likely possible that those listed below are their children, only one has thus far been positively proven (Eliza Jane Wise Hoffman).

Peter and Christina Wise
William Wise
Rebecca Wise Shidler
Catherine Kircher
Rosanna Wise Hale
Jacob Wise
John Wise
Eliza Jane Wise Hoffman, confirmed daughter of Peter and Christina Wise
Elmina Ella Mohler
Hannah Wise
  • In the 1860 census with Peter and Christina there is a Hannah, age 29, born in Ohio and in 1870 Hannah is 44 years old, born in Pennsylvania. This would seem to indicate that she was born in 1826 or 1831, or possibly somewhere in between. Hannah is not included in the published cemetery records for Miami County so, as far as I know, she is not buried in Gilead Cemetery where Peter and Christina and other family members are interred.
Elizabeth Wise
  • Elizabeth is listed with Peter and Christina Wise in the 1850 census in Miami County, Indiana. She is buried in Gilead Cemetery, in the same row, though some distance away from Peter and Christina. Elizabeth was born 24 Jan 1837 in Ohio and died 24 May 1854 presumably in Miami County, Indiana.

 Originally Posted on March 5, 2008 :: Last Updated on December 31, 2009. Post date adjusted December 29, 2012 so that when a search for the surname is done on the blog this post will appear first the search list.

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Thursday, March 20, 2008

The Estate Settlement and Some Conjecture

Christina Wise's estate was valued at $3891.33 at the time of her death on April 25, 1884 and consisted of nine notes that were due her. Some of the notes had been made by Peter and some by Christina. When Peter Wise died on January 29, 1875 they still owned three lots in the town of Gilead and five acres bordering the west side of the town. The five acres were sold in April 1877 and the town lots were sold in September. The final report in the estate settlement was filed October 4, 1877 and paid claims amounting to $3176.40 - there had been other claims filed and paid in the intervening years.

The notes that were due the estate, and the final disposition:
  • John Wise $300 valued at $450 - the principal "is not to be paid during her lifetime, then it shall be mine by inheritance." Note was dated Feby 3, 1876 at West Salem, Ohio.
  • A. W. Hoffman $275 valued at $458 - insolvent - his notes were "declared valueless" [He was the husband of Eliza Jane Wise Hoffman.]
  • William Wise $400 valued at $709 - insolvent - "The note of William Wise is uncollectible, said Wise being a non-resident of the state and insolvent." [He may have moved to Sumner County, Kansas by 1885.]
  • John J. Mohler $430 valued at $706 - He "is a non-resident of the state and is insolvent, except to the extent of his claim and his notes are to be surrendered to him in satisfaction of his claim." [John and Elmina Wise Mohler moved to Meade County, Kansas in 1885.]
  • George Shillinger and Samuel Seitner $375 - collected
  • A. K. Madeford $25 - collected
The notes of George Shillinger, Samuel Seitner, and A. K. [Alvin] Madeford were repaid by them before the final settlement. These men appear to have been neighbors as they were all living in Perry Township, Miami County, Indiana in 1880. It is possible that they are related but since they repaid their debts to the estate, that is doubtful ;-)

Apparently there was not going to be enough money from the estate to pay the claims in full as the claimants agreed to accept 83% of their claim to avoid additional expenses in the event the estate was declared insolvent.

The claim of John J. Mohler was for a total of $735.09 for boarding 156 weeks at $3.50 per week between 1876 and 1884. Also 7 weeks in Oct & Nov 1883 during last illness. Services caring for deceased in last illness while at Wm. Kirchers, 30 days at $1.00 per day. Plus additional charges for telegraphing, a shroud, bath and sundries, and interest. He released his claim against the estate in return for the surrender of the notes he owed. [John and Elmina Wise Mohler had moved to Meade County, Kansas in 1885.]

William Kircher's final payment was $1286.62 against his claim amounting to $1400.76 which included ten line items for washing & attendance [of the deceased] at $3.50 per week. Apl 10/75 to Apl 10/78, Oct 19/78 to Jan'y 26/79, Mch 3/79 to July 13/79, Sept 1/79 to July 29/80, Oct 15/80 to Apl 1/81, Sept 1/81 to Feby 1/82, Apl 1/82 to July 20/82, Oct 14/82 to Apl 15/83, may 20/83 to Aug 15/83, and during her last illness from Sept 21/83 to Apl 25/84. He also paid for a deed Jan'y 31/84, 400 ft lumber at $1.50 pr 100, 32 fence posts, paid taxes 1878 and 1879, Clover seed, nails & Lumber, and $5.00 cash for daughter. [Is that cash for his daughter, or for Christina's daughter?]

It looks as though Christina alternated spending time between the Mohler and Kircher households. Catherine Kircher, William's wife, died on February 5, 1884 and Christina Wise died on April 25, 1884.

Rosanna Hale's claim against the estate of Christina Wise was for $80.00 for "Care of, and attendance in the decedents last sickness." Rosanna made her mark, witnessed by Luella Culbertson. She received $77.27 as payment. She made her mark on the receipt and it was witnessed by M. H. Grunden. [He was her son-in-law. Rosana and her family had moved to Dauphin County, Pennsylvania between 1860-1870.]

The claim of Luella M. Culbertson was for $62.00 for "Service as nurse 31 weeks at $2.00 per week." She received $60.03 for her claim. [Luella was the daughter of Catherine and William Kircher.]

There are no direct relationships recorded in any of these documents although John Wise stated that the principal of his note "is not to be paid during her lifetime, then it shall be mine by inheritance."

Of the ten children of Peter and Christina Wise that have tentatively been identified, three had died several years before Christina (Rebecca Shidler, Jacob Wise, and Elizabeth Wise) and six (or their spouses) are mentioned in the estate papers: John Wise, A. W. Hoffman [Eliza], William Wise, John J. Mohler [Ella Elmina], William Kircher [Catherine], and Rosanna Hale. The whereabouts of the tenth, Hannah Wise, is unknown. According to the obituary of Eliza Hoffman, she was one of twelve children. Census records substantiate that number, so that still leaves two children yet to be found.

Just as a point of interest, and realizing that naming patterns are sometimes helpful clues in determining family relationships, here is a listing of probable children and grandchildren of Peter and Christina Wise.
  • William and Mary Ann Wise - 5 children - Newton, Samuel, Wealthy, Emeline, Cecillius
  • Rebecca and Jacob Shidler - 2 children - Jane Ann, William
  • Catherine and William Kircher - 1 child - Luella
  • Rosanna and Jacob Hale - 1 child - Mary Alice
  • Hannah Wise - ? -
  • Jacob and Malissa Wise - 7 children - William Pythagrus, Mary Ellen, Sarah Jane, James Roscoe, Christina, Sylvester, Rosilla
  • John Wise - ? -
  • Elizabeth Wise - no children, died at age 17
  • Eliza Jane and Anthony Hoffman - 5 children - Minnie, Dayton, Effie Idella, Ella, Jennie Mae
  • Ella Elmina and John Mohler - 2 children - Stella Rose, William Peter
For the grandchildren, the name that is repeated most often, three times, is William. The older brother must have been well-liked. Or, perhaps, William was the name of the father of Peter or Christina? Jane is used twice, once as a first name and again as a middle name. Rosilla and Rose are variations of Rosanna. Mary is also used twice. Were they named after William's wife, or not? Ellen could be a variation of Ella. Peter is only used once, and that as a middle name. And only one grandchild is named Christina.

Does the fact that Jacob named one of his daughters Christina prove anything? Probably not, but the name Christina does not appear in Malissa's family (Stem and Sisley). No sisters, no aunts named Christina there. It would have been nice if Jacob and Malissa had named their son William Peter rather than William Pythagrus! Where on earth did they come up with that name anyway? (Probabaly a mis-spelling of Pythagoras?) No wonder he always went by William P. Wise. Come to think of it, I've never seen "Pythagrus" on any "official" document. It's what grandma has on her family group sheet. And one of his grandchildren was name Thagrus!

Ah well, I think this will about wrap up my discourse on the Wise family for a while. Then again, maybe not. If you've gotten this far, and if you're still interested, additional information and a listing of all the posts I've written about the search for the children of Peter and Christina Wise can be found at Wise Family - Index to Posts!
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Sunday, March 02, 2008

William Shidler

William Shidler, son of Jacob and Rebecca (Wise) Shidler, was born on 02 Sep 1847 in Orange Township, Ashland County, Ohio, died on 09 Sep 1922 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio at age 75, and was buried in Ashland City Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio. The death record of William Shidler, available at www.familysearchlabs.org gives his parents as Rebecca Wise, born in Pennsylvania and Jacob Shidler, born in Pennsylvania.

William married Elizabeth Myers on 05 Nov 1872. Elizabeth was born on 27 Mar 1850 in Myersdale, Pennsylvania, died on 14 Jun 1924 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio at age 74, and was buried in Ashland City Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio.

A biography of William Shidler was published in the 1880 Biographical History of Ashland County by George Hill. Biographical Sketches of Early Pioneers Who Settled in Ashland County Ohio. Available online at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohacogs/orange23.html

William Shidler, only son of Jacob Shidler was born in Orange Township, Ashland County, Ohio September 2, 1847. His father came to Ashland County from Holmes County with his parents when he was a young man; Ashland County was ever after his home.

The farm on which William now lives and which he owns, is the farm his father purchased when he was married, and where he raised his family consisting of William the subject of this sketch, and his sister now the wife of Hugh Murry. Mr. Shidler died October 3, 1866 and Mrs. Shidler died February 5, 1877. November 5, 1872, William Shidler married Elizabeth Myers, daughter of John and Barbara Myers of Clearcreek Township. The fruit of this union was three children, Maud, Lloyd and Charley Jay. Maud, the oldest died at the age of fifteen months.

Mr. Shidler is a Democrat in politics, is an industrious farmer, and is a companionable man, much respected by his neighbors. He has been for six years assessor in Orange Township. His farm is considered one of the best grain farms in the township.

William Shidler and Elizabeth Myers had four children:
  1. Maude Shidler was born on 15 Aug 1873, died on 08 Nov 1874 at age 1, and was buried in Ashland City Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio.
  2. Lloyd Shidler was born on 15 Dec 1874, died on 21 Aug 1901 at age 26, and was buried in Ashland City Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio.
  3. Charles Jay Shidler was born on 30 Sep 1876 in Orange Township, Ashland County, Ohio, died on 18 Aug 1943 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio at age 66, and was buried in Ashland City Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio. He was a veteran of the Spanish-American War. Charles married Bessie Ewing about 1905. Bessie was born on 11 Sep 1878 in Milton Township, Ashland County, Ohio, died on 03 Dec 1938 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio at age 60, and was buried in Ashland City Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio. They had no children.
  4. Etha Shidler was born on 11 Aug 1885 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio and died on 21 Sep 1978 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio at age 93. Etha married Carroll Glenn Helbert about 1908. Carroll was born on 13 Mar 1883 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio and died on 27 Jun 1977 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio at age 94.
Etha Shidler and Carroll Glenn Helbert had three children:
... i. Elizabeth Helbert was born on 28 Dec 1908 in Ohio and died on 09 Oct 1998 at age 89. Elizabeth married Jack Zedaker. They lived in Youngstown, Ohio when her mother died in 1978.
... ii. Betty Jane Helbert was born on 24 Aug 1912 in Ohio and died in Nov 1993 at age 81. Betty married Dick Holzaepfel. They lived in Iowa City, Iowa when her mother died in 1978.
... iii. Rosemary Helbert was born on 28 Jan 1915 in Tiffin, Ohio, died on 26 Dec 1929 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio at age 14, and was buried in Ashland City Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio.

Source information is available upon request. If anyone reading this is related to these people or has any information on them, please contact me! kinexxions "at" gmail "dot" com

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Friday, February 29, 2008

Jane Ann Shidler Murray

Jane Ann Shidler, daughter of Jacob and Rebecca (Wise) Shidler, was born on 12 Jan 1846 in Orange Township, Ashland County, Ohio, died on 28 Nov 1923 in Troy, Ashland County, Ohio at age 77, and was buried in Nankin Orange Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio. The death record of Jane Ann Murray, available at www.familysearchlabs.org gives her parents as Rebeccah Wise, born in Wayne County, Ohio and Jacob Shidler, born in Pennsylvania.

Jane married Hugh Murray on 25 Sep 1870. Hugh was born on 29 Sep 1834, died on 10 Dec 1913 in Troy, Ashland County, Ohio at age 79, and was buried in Nankin Orange Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio.

A biography of Hugh Murray was published in the 1880 Biographical History of Ashland County by George Hill. Biographical Sketches of Early Pioneers Who Settled in Ashland County Ohio. Available online at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohacogs/orange23.html

Hugh Murray, third son of William and Mary Murray was born in Orange Township, Ashland County, Ohio, September 29, 1834. William Murray came to Ashland County when he was a small boy about the year 1812.

Mrs. William Murray, who came about the same time at the age of twelve years is still living with her son Hugh, at the advanced age of eighty years. The Murray family are well known in all parts of the county as one of the first families to settle here after the war of 1812 closed. These heroes of Ashland County deserve to be remembered by coming generations as it was to their hardships and privations that the present and coming generations owe a debt of gratitude. William Murray was married November 1, 1825 to Mary Chilcote, daughter of Mordecai and Ruth Chilcote, another family that came to Ashland County as before mentioned. After their marriage they lived in different portions of Orange Township, and in 1834 they moved to the farm on which mother and son now live in section five, near range sixteen, the northwest corner of the township.

Mrs. Murray says she well remembers the log cabin days when quilts were often used as doors. When they came to this farm it was a wilderness and it required plenty of nerve and will to cope successfully with the hardships necessary to provide bread and clear the land. For Ashland County these hardships are the things of the past and to record the names of these good pioneers on the sacred pages of history is a pleasant duty. They had a family of eleven children, but five of whom are living. George fell at Stone River, near Murfreesborough, Tennessee, while defending the American flag. He was a private in company H, Thirtieth Indiana volunteer infantry. James was one of Michigan's Calvary boys. Hugh was a member of the One Hundred and Second Ohio volunteer infantry, company K. He returned after a service of three years to the old home in Ashland County. On September 25, 1870 he was married to Jane Shidler. They have two boys, Guy B. and Harold Fay.

He owns the old homestead consisting of one hundred and sixty acres, and has added eighty acres making one of the most desirable farms in the township. The scenes of his childhood, no doubt, still linger in his mind, and more so as he has the pleasure of associating with his good mother, a pleasure that few men of his age are allowed. In politics Mr. Murray is a Democrat, and is a man of many friends and as a neighbor is highly esteemed.
Children of Hugh Murray and Jane Ann Shidler were:

1. Guy Bracefridge Murray was born on 01 May 1876 in Ashland County, Ohio and died on 19 Nov 1949 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio at age 73. The 1930 census for Nova, Troy Township, Ashland County, Ohio (page 3a) lists Guy as 53 years old and single. He owns his home valued at $3500, has a radio, and is a cashier at a bank. He is not a veteran. Living in his household is a cousin, 76 year old Mary J. Waggoner and Clare Simmons, also 76 years old, listed as a housekeeper with no relationship given. Mary is single while Clare is widowed.

2. Harold Fay Murray was born on 25 Dec 1878 and died on 16 Oct 1961 in Berea, Cuyahoga County, Ohio at age 82. Harold married Bessie L. about 1906. She was born in 1887 in Ohio. They had two children, both born in Ohio: Howard W. Murray was born about 1912 and Robert F. Murray was born about 1914.

3. Macy Murray was born in Nov 1883 and died on 03 Jul 1965 in Ashland County, Ohio at age 81. Macy married Wiley Burdette Hart about 1905. He was born on 08 Jul 1877 in Ohio. Macy and Wiley had one known child, Florence Hart, born about 1908 in Ohio.

The Murray and Hart families were located in the following census records:

1880 Ashland County, Ohio (Orange Township page 24d)
Hugh Murray, 45, farmer, born Ohio, his parents born Pennsylvania.
Jane A., 34, wife, born Ohio, parents born Pennsylvania
Guy, age 11 or 17, son, born Ohio
Fay, age can't be deciphered, son, born Ohio
Mary, 79, Mother, born Pennsylvania
Jennie Wagner, 26, no relation given, no occupation given, born Ohio
Frederick Householde [?], 19, no relation given, farm laborer, born Ohio

1900 Ashland County, Ohio (Orange Township page 171a)
Hue Murry, Sept 1834, 65, married 30 years, born Ohio, father born Pennsylvania, mother born Ohio, Farmer
Jennie A., wife, Jan 1846, 54, married 30 years, 3 children 3 living, born Ohio father born Pennsylvania, mother born Ohio
Guy B., son, May 1876, 24, single, born Ohio, Farm Laborer
Harrold F., son, Dec 1878, 21, single, born Ohio, Farm Laborer
Macy M., daughter, Nov 1883, 16, single, born Ohio

1910 Ashland County, Ohio (Orange Township page 11b)
Hugh Murray, 75, married once 39 years, born Ohio, parents born Ohio, Own Income
Jennie, wife, 64, married once 39 years, 3 children 3 living, born Ohio, parents born Ohio
Jennie Waggoner, wife [sic], 56, single, born Ohio, parents born Ohio

1910 Huron County, Ohio (Chicago Jct Village, New Haven Township page 81)
Harold F. Murray, 32, married once 4 years, born Ohio, parents born Ohio, Express Messenger
Bessie L., wife, 23, married once 4 years, no children, born Ohio, parents born Ohio

1910 census for Ashland County, Ohio (Troy Township page 6a)
Wiley Hart, 32, married once 5 years, born Ohio, parents born Pennsylvania, Hardware Merchant
Macy, wife, 26, married once 5 years, 1 child 1 living, born Ohio, parents born Ohio
Florence L., daughter, 2, born Ohio

1920 Ashland County, Ohio (Troy Township page 3b)
Jennie A. Murray, head of household, 73, widowed, born Ohio, parents born Ohio
Guy B., son, 43, single, born Ohio, Cashier, Bank
Jennie Waggoner, Niece, 67, single, born Ohio, Nurse, Private Home

1920 Huron County, Ohio (Willard Village, New Haven Township page 85)
Harold F. Murray, 41, married, born Ohio, occupation illegible, works for Railroad
Bessie L., wife, 33, married, born Ohio
Howard W., son, 8, born Ohio
Robert F., son, 6, born Ohio

1920 census for Ashland County, Ohio (Troy Township page 3a)
Wiley B. Hart, 41, married, born Ohio, father born Pennsylvania, mother born Ohio, Salesman, Automobile
Macy M., wife, 36, married, born Ohio, parents born Ohio
Florence L., daughter, 12, born Ohio
Lois, niece, 21, single, born Ohio, Teacher, Public School

Source information is available upon request. If anyone reading this is related to these people or has any information on them, please contact me! kinexxions "at" gmail "dot" com
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Rebecca Wise Shidler

Rebecca Wise Shidler, probable/possible daughter of Peter and Christina Wise, was born about 1822-1825 in Pennsylvania, died on 04 Feb 1877, and was buried in Maple Grove Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio. Rebecca Wise married Jacob Shidler on March 16, 1843 in Wayne County, Ohio (Wayne County, Ohio Marriages 1813-1898, Wayne County Genealogical Society, 1997 citing vol 4B pg 8).

The online cemetery transcription shows that Rebecca died Feb. 4, 1877 age 51y 6m. Using her age at death, her date of birth calculates to August 4, 1825. However, she was 28 in the 1850 census, 38 in 1860, and 46 in 1870, making her year of birth between 1822-1825. In all three census records she was listed as born in Pennsylvania. She could be the one female, age 15-19 listed in the household of Peter Wise in the 1840 Wayne County, Ohio census.

Rebecca is being included here as a probable/possible daughter of Peter and Christina Wise based upon information that my grandmother gave in a handwritten note listing the grandchildren of "John" Wise. However, they weren't grandchildren of John but, rather, of Rebecca Wise Shidler.

The note found in my grandmother's files:
grandchildren of John Wise, brother of Jacob Wise [rwNote: grandchildren of Rebecca Wise]
Jenny Murry [rwNote: Jane A. Shidler Murray, d/o of Rebecca Wise]
Guy Murry - Mansfield - children of Jenny Murry [rwNote: son of Jane A. Shidler Murray]
Robert Murry (Ashland) [rwNote: grandson of Jane A. Shidler Murray by her son Harrold]
Mrs. Macy Hart - sister of Guy Murry - Ashland, Ohio [rwNote: daughter of Jane A. Shidler Murray]

Jacob Shidler, Rebecca's husband, was born on 23 Nov 1819, died on 23 Oct 1866, and was buried in Maple Grove Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio.

Children of Jacob Shidler and Rebecca Wise were:

  1. Jane Ann Shidler was born on 12 Jan 1846 in Orange Township, Ashland County, Ohio, died on 28 Nov 1923 in Troy, Ashland County, Ohio at age 77, and was buried in Nankin Orange Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio. Jane married Hugh Murray on 25 Sep 1870. Hugh was born on 29 Sep 1834, died on 10 Dec 1913 in Troy, Ashland County, Ohio at age 79, and was buried in Nankin Orange Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio.
  2. William Shidler was born on 02 Sep 1847 in Orange Township, Ashland County, Ohio, died on 09 Sep 1922 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio at age 75, and was buried in Ashland City Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio. William married Elizabeth Myers on 05 Nov 1872. Elizabeth was born on 27 Mar 1850 in Myersdale, Pennsylvania, died on 14 Jun 1924 in Ashland, Ashland County, Ohio at age 74, and was buried in Ashland City Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio.
The Shidler family was located in the following census records:

1850 Ashland County, Ohio (Orange Township page 495)
Jacob Shidler, 31, male, farmer, born Pennsylvania
Rebecca, 28, female, born Pennsylvania
Jane A., 4, female, born Ohio
William, 3, male, born Ohio

1860 Ashland County, Ohio (PO Nankin, Orange Township page 10)
Jacob Shidler, 40, farmer, Real Estate valued at $3000, Personal Estate valued at $1046, born Pennsylvania
Rebecca, 38, female, born Pennsylvania
Jane A., 14, female, born Ohio
Wm, 12, male, born Ohio

1870 Ashland County, Ohio (PO Nankin, Orange Township page 763)
Rebecca Shidler, 46, female, white, keeping house, Real Estate valued at $15145, Personal Estate valued at $3400, born Pennsylvania
Jennie, 24, female, white, born Ohio
William, 22, male, white, Manager of farm, born Ohio
[rwNote: check out the value of her Real Estate and Personal Estate.]

Maple Grove Cemetery, Ashland County, Ohio online transcriptions
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/3129/files.htm
Jacob Shidler died Oct. 23, 1866 age 46y 1m 23d [dob calculates to 30 Aug 1820]
Maude Shidler d/o W. & E. died Nov. 3, 1874 age 1y 2m 23d [a granddaughter]
Rebecca Shidler w/o Jacob died Feb. 4, 1877 age 51y 6m [dob calculates to 04 Aug 1825]

Source information is available upon request. If anyone reading this is related to these people or has any information on them, please contact me! kinexxions "at" gmail "dot" com

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Saturday, February 16, 2008

Look what I found

on an ancestry world tree late last night... the record hasn't been updated since 26 Oct 2003 and there are no dates except for the father's date of birth (his date of death, 23 OCT 1866, is recorded in the parents record). Virtually identical information on these people is in two databases here and here.

Update: 02/16 11:15 p.m. - I didn't realize the ancestry world tree required a login, so sorry. Here are the databases on WorldConnect:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3212394&id=I5619

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=carlaforharry&id=I628

· ID: I5619
· Name: Jane Anne SHIDLER
· Sex: F
· Birth: 12 JAN
· Change Date: 26 OCT 2003

Father: Jacob SHIDLER b: 23 NOV 1819
Mother: Rebecca WISE
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3212394&id=I5618

Marriage 1 Hugh MURRAY

Children:
1. Guy MURRAY
2. Harold MURRAY
3. Macy MURRAY

Now, check this out... this is part of what was written on that second note from my Grandmother:
Grandchildren of John Wise, brother of Jacob Wise
Jenny Murry
Guy Murry - Mansfield - children of Jenny Murry
Robert Murry (Ashland)
Mrs. Macy Hart - sister of Guy Murry - Ashland, Ohio

Grandma had the "wrong" sibling! The Murry's (Murray's) aren't grandchildren of John Wise, but of Rebecca Wise. So, is she the sister of my Jacob Wise?

In the Wayne County, Ohio Marriages (published in 1997) there is a Rebecca Wise who married Jacob S. Shidler on 16 Mar 1843.

I've located Rebecca Shidler in census records in Ashland County, Ohio from 1850 through 1870 and in Seneca County, Ohio from 1880 through 1910. In 1850 and 1860 her daughter is listed as Jane A. and in 1870 she is Jennie. [Note Added 02/16 11:15 p.m. The Rebecca Shidler in the Seneca County census 1880-1910 is not the right one! More on that later.]

Rebecca also has a son, William Shidler. In 1870 William is 32 years old, married and living in Orange Township, Ashland County. In his household, along with his wife and two children, is a 22 year old female "servant" named Minnie Huffman. Minnie was born in Indiana and her parents were born in Ohio. If my hunch is correct, Minnie is the daughter of Eliza Jane Wise Hoffman. Minnie married Perry M. Fluke and they lived in Ashland County, Ohio. In other words, Minnie was living with her cousin and his family.

I know, I know. It's not proof, but it sure is evidence that warrants more research! I'll also have to rethink my ideas on posting names only to online databases. I always thought it was pretty much worthless, but now, maybe not quite so much! I had already found Rebecca Shidler in the census records before I came across these databases, but I don't know that I would have made the link to this family quite as soon, if ever, without these databases.

=+==+= Added 02/16 11:15 p.m. =+==+=
An additional note about online databases... Miriam left a comment about using WorldConnect at RootsWeb rather than Ancestry World Tree. Apple responded to that comment before I was able to (thanks, Apple). Ancestry has several different "tree" databases (Public Member Trees, OneWorldTree, Personal Member Trees, Ancestry World Tree) and I'm not sure what the difference is, but the Ancestry World Tree appears to contain the same data as is on WorldConnect at Rootsweb. I have never directly submitted a tree to Ancestry but have used WorldConnect but my data shows up on Ancestry. I don't have a problem with that, they are owned by the same company but I prefer the flexibility with WorldConnect as noted by Miriam in the comments.

Here is my Bray-Wiseman database on WorldConnect.
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rwiseman_bray&id=I175

And here it is on Ancestry.
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rwiseman_bray&id=I175

There is no difference in the data. If I update my database on WorldConnect the update automatically feeds into the Ancestry World Tree with no intervention on my part. There may have been some confusion when I said I'd have to rethink posting names only. I guess what I should have said was posting names without dates. As the above post shows, sometimes that can be a good thing. Some information is better than none. Without sources it all has to be checked and verified anyway.

I currently only have the one database posted at WorldConnect, part of my Dad's lines. I'm still working on cleaning up the database for my mother's side of the family. When that is ready, it will probably be posted on WorldConnect. I thought about using WeRelate but quite frankly I don't have the time to invest on learning how a wiki works! It's easier to use WorldConnect and I think, with the link with Ancestry, it will get way more exposure than virtually anywhere else on the internet. There are pros and cons in regards to all choices...
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